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Posted by: ailwasp Nov 2 2011, 11:30 PM

This is why we will restrict the activity a bit. This will happen in the following way:

Every user will be able to finish 50 games per day (involving tournament games, friendlies, union games, Championship games) without any restrictions. Starting with the 51st game, stadium income as well as player xp will be reduced percentage-wise. Only 2% of active users play more than 50 games per day. This is unfair towards the other 98%, which is why the limit will be implemented. This way, we can achieve fair play and equal chances for the majority of 98%.


i can garantee you that there ar more than 30% playing more than 50 games / day , also what about players who have their teams with lot of exp, how do you think that new players can catch them?

at lvl 8 in vip cups if you reach the finals and play in them you have 8 games so this leaves you to play in only 6 cups with full exp, than what`s the point of having a vip account? , and also there are players who play more than 10-20 friendlies /day , so again bac to vip cups if someone gets out of the first group he has to play 3 more games so it`s 6 , that`s still leaves the user to play in only 8 cups

i understand that you want fairness .,,or how do you say it but i personally think this is not so good (but it`s just an oppinion, and sorry for my bad english)

Posted by: Transnistrian Metalhead Nov 2 2011, 11:46 PM

They try to kill interest of users

Posted by: ruy Nov 2 2011, 11:56 PM

In fact it is not fair, and I feel that other way of getting cheaters would be better, nevertheless I support all the attempts to catch cheaters.

As you should know, and we all know, there are players that play 24/7, they don't sleep for days and days... How can it be? Or they use bots, or there are more than one person playing with the same account. Am I right?

So, if those measures prove to be effective against those cheaters, Count me in. And I feel you all should feel the same, because a cheater will get more money, more player experience and more cups, as well as increase the Glory, which overall will help him to win more.

So, although it may not be the best of the measures, I support it.

Ruy

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 12:02 AM

i think they want to do a good thing , but allso my personal opinnion is that this is not the right way to achive fairness (fair play)

thx for the post , and i hope that more players (users) will post their point of view just immagine if you are in a big cup with more then 3 groups ..it will be hard to gain some exp with just 3-4 or best case with just 5 cups



yes of course i feel the same way , with the transfers it was a good thing, with the exhange allso, and the new transfer /players value is the same

but still i played when i had time more than 18 h /day if i activated my bonus because it goes 24 h , so what`s the point in havving a bones for 24 h if you use it just for 4-6 h , and what about friendlies ..is it ok to count in friendlies in the same category as cups normal/mixed, and also vip ?

players with bots should be ip blocked! and that should solve the problem ...for some users

Posted by: ruy Nov 3 2011, 12:08 AM

ailwasp,

I agree that it is not an easy change, and I agree with you, but we should be happy if Nekki is trying to turn the game a litle more fair.

However, I think that one exception should be made, when a xp bonus is activated, the player should be able to use it to the full.

Still, I prefer NOT to have cheaters in the game

Ruy

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 12:18 AM

ok so we are on the same page

but is it cheating if someone plays let`s say 20-30 friendlies and +30-60 cup games /day if he has the time to do that i think it`s ok, they sould consider that also the future of this game it`s on this change , many users do not agree whit this limitation , maybe some admin or someone from the staff could say a few words about this (i also think of quitting because i don`t see the point of buying vip or bonuses this will be a a tough change) but maybe they can do somthing about it ..ar in other way as you sayd ..when you activate the bonus than there hase to be no limitation or something like that, and also on friendlies you get very low exp it should not be the same limitation as in cups

Gk

Kirk Dajgl 66 exp (tal7) ,Lm Fil Dejn 70 exp (tal8) in friendlie games when u loose (WITH VIP4!!!, jus imagine how low exp you get with no vip, or 1-2) , in vip cups when you losse you get 400 exp a winn can bring you 800-1300 exp , so i don`t understand how is it fair to limit friendlies? i think friendlies should not be limmited

Posted by: MM FERRARI Nov 3 2011, 01:20 AM

They will kill our game with that new rule. You can't imagine how many guys from our union wants to leave the game I am sure, after World Cup we will have a lot of them, thats very bad. They invest money, they want to play. 50 games is not enough for active player. Better it can be time limit ~18 hours a day...... Thats way better, I am pretty sure that 98% of guys are not playing more that 18 hours a day, so everybody will be happy.

Looks like admins want all guys out from the game. Maybe not everybody knows, but users from Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia and some others eastern European coutry's can't enter 11x11.com becouse our admins banning IP from them country's they should play at 11x11.ru server, BUT IS NOT RIGHT!!!!!!!! I think that everybody can choose where they want to be, and what server they want to use.

Admins, just thing very well before you will make this changes!!!!!

Best regards.

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 01:32 AM

thank you very much for your post , and allso i think it is true that everybody can and should choose.. where they want to be (you`re idea is quite good i think , so maybe something can be done and, i hope that other people will post their opinions so that we know where we stand ..and and the admins/mods also, maybe they can come up with a better solution)

Posted by: s3ver Nov 3 2011, 09:11 AM

this rule will surely kill the game
still say you should put in the time limit, no limit games .. each user can not play more than 12-13 hours a day ... it would justify buying the booster that can be used for VIP or bonus exp

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 11:54 AM

so true ,i really hope they do something about this , because most of all it is a game that supposed to be fun thank you for you`re post

Posted by: galical Nov 3 2011, 12:33 PM

I agree with you MM FERRARI, Is the worst idea I have never heard in a freemium game.

I will leave the game when my vip ranks ends sad.gif

I am reviewing what the law says about paying 80 EUROS for 3 months service and changing the service conditions the day later

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 01:15 PM

yes it is very disturbing for the players who are paying money for vip ranks, for bonuses and so on

Posted by: galical Nov 3 2011, 01:39 PM

Let's see what the Spanish Consumer Bureau thinks about changing the sevice terms the day afte paying for the service. I have submited a request to them

Posted by: nemark79 Nov 3 2011, 02:08 PM

as i already said i just want to know how many of Registered: 1.089.126 players have played ONLY 1 GAME last month.
and from how many players do admins count 2%

best regards

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 02:23 PM

good question, because in the morning there ar at least 600-800 users right? (online) or maybe just 400 but still you can`t find 4-8 players for a smaller cup (there are many players with more than 1 account, and many players that dont play, or have their accounts closed, and i think they count them in, i hope they do a cleaning, delete accounts that are inactive and so on, after that they can rethink the 2% )

Posted by: nemark79 Nov 3 2011, 02:23 PM

User ailwasp is banned for life 03.11.2011
Reason: Own wish/restart

Posted by: Dracii Transilvaniei Nov 3 2011, 02:34 PM

[quote name='nemark79' date='Nov 3 2011, 02:08 PM' post='23913']
as i already said i just want to know how many of Registered: 1.089.126 players have played ONLY 1 GAME last month.
and from how many players do admins count 2%

best regards




Perfectly agree with nemark79.

We as a union of football management, we encouraged users to play small, national championship, with eight awards talented players and booster. But it was not good. Me and my colleagues we have sacrificed time to drive those low level, the conclusion: many have left the game. Others asked many favors, and then I see that do not play. So ...........???

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 02:37 PM

yes that is true i asked them to close my account (they did not ban me for posting on forum, and they have no reason beacause at least we should have theFREEDOM to SAY what`s on our mind!) my nem team is Monsters of_Rock [1] i wanted a fresh start but if they are makeing any more (lets say bad) changes it`s easyer to quit at the beginning , i want to have funn , if i have 1-2 days to spare for let`s say 14 h of game play than i want to enjoy that, or if i want to play friendlies i would like to do that without any restriction on the exp.. at the moment i get 30-63 exp so it is my "scarifice" to waste more time to have a little exp in pluss as i saied befor in vip cups you can get 400-1300 exp not 30-63 how can it be in the same cattegory ?

also true what Dracii Translivaniei is telling us! i know it because i was in his unnion

Posted by: nemark79 Nov 3 2011, 02:46 PM

QUOTE(nemark79 @ Nov 3 2011, 02:23 PM) *

User ailwasp is banned for life 03.11.2011
Reason: Own wish/restart


yes that is true smile.gif i asked them to close my account (they did not ban me for posting on forum, and they have no reason beacause at least we should have theFREEDOM to SAY what`s on our mind!) my nem team is Monsters of_Rock [1] smile.gif i wanted a fresh start but if they are makeing any more (lets say bad) changes it`s easyer to quit at the beginning , i want to have funn , if i have 1-2 days to spare for let`s say 14 h of game play than i want to enjoy that, or if i want to play friendlies i would like to do that without any restriction on the exp.. at the moment i get 30-63 exp so it is my "scarifice" to waste more time to have a little exp in pluss as i saied befor in vip cups you can get 400-1300 exp not 30-63 how can it be in the same cattegory ?

also true what Dracii Translivaniei is telling us! i know it because i was in his unnion smile.gif



that is what i am saying ailwasp is one of a million others that dont play this game and is count like he is

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 02:48 PM

yes and there are manny more , they should delete the accounts that are closed, but i don`t know if they can

Posted by: galical Nov 3 2011, 03:34 PM

We are more than 2% it is just an excuse. I supouse they want to sell something extra to people that wants to play more than 50 matches per day.

But with so many bugs in the game... don't ask me trust in Nekki and waste more money.

Posted by: cabecadas Nov 3 2011, 05:31 PM

Galical, i would to see one coment of you to what happenned e the tour 19 of WC, when you play against team Pedro Oliveira. I don´t remind to see you complaning of a vitory that you shouldn't have, we beat you fairly!!!!

where´s your complaints??

be a men and admit that your team won that tour infarly!!!!

Posted by: galical Nov 3 2011, 06:04 PM

I am sorry but It's not true! They change the game has a bug changing clock. It's not my fault. We won at 10:00 pm (spanish time) wich is the correct hour. If you stop playing complain to support not to me.

This is totaly off topic.

If you have complaints about the WC hour bug you should write to your Admin. Don't lie please. We won at 22:00pm a clock (spanish time) as the rules says.

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 07:41 PM

yes it is an off topic but , i`m allso shocked that no one from the leading staff said or wrothe a thing about our topic pls guys do or say something.. because many people who did not post (and us to) are still awaiting an answer..or something

Posted by: Rock Nov 3 2011, 08:35 PM

maximum what "leading staff " can do, it's close this topic.
nobody care about users, just care about money , last news - proof for that ....

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 3 2011, 08:42 PM

that is very sad if it`s true but from this nobody can winn , i think they understand that the users are the investors , they are buying the boosters and so on , if the game would be for free it would be something else (i know it is for free but still they are selling boosters and so on, they are making profit from this)

thank you for posting

Posted by: galical Nov 3 2011, 11:31 PM

Come on "leading staff" this is your opportunity to show us that we are wrong.

Please show us that you listent to us. Nowadays customer relationship management teams and comunity mangaers listen and answer to their customers. Come on it is esay you can do it and you will win customer loyalty

Posted by: Rock Nov 4 2011, 07:54 AM

I think our admins are silent because they understand ,that the latest news is " the beginning of the end ", but all of them do not depend from exactly our admins team, because , it was not invented by them...
Game created russian developers, and i think they come up with every news and changes....

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 4 2011, 02:03 PM

so after all this we must swallow everything that they push down our troth?? , im begging the "leading staff" that they talk to them or at least say something to us, becausea after all this we at least deserve an answer

ps this is the english server right?!

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 5 2011, 04:20 PM

is this it? did i waste my time on this topic? so i guess everybody is happy ?the users the admins and the suppliers?

ok so maybe tomorrow i will post something that will shock most of you

Posted by: galical Nov 6 2011, 02:23 PM

I agrre with Rock: this rules is the begginig of the end. I hope they make a rectification on time.

ailwasp, yes this is the Engish server

Please post wathever if you can help to stop this unfortunated changes.

*PROTEST*

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 6 2011, 02:39 PM

i have some papers , hopefully i will find them , scan them and post (that will show how fair play nekki is)

i hoped that by now we would get some answers, but still nothing, so no matter how much we write or say it won`t matter

Posted by: Redmax_de Nov 8 2011, 11:05 AM

Hello all,

all information about changes from Yesterday, was written in the News, so you have all information you need. We allways notice your ideas and complains. If we have new information, we will post this here.

best regards
Redmax

Posted by: roman82 Nov 8 2011, 01:06 PM

Dear administration, what for you enter these restrictions? You lose the big army of people which wanted to come here from the Russian server of this game, I have come with therefrom, have left there a command 10 levels, spent for it 100 EURO in a month, was ready to spend this money here.....

Posted by: g3ck0 Nov 8 2011, 05:16 PM

it doesn´t matter if they spend 100 EUR per month or 2000 EUR per month for every staff member should be every user equal - so this arguments are nonsense even if you have a look for the company that gets it in both games

Posted by: roman82 Nov 8 2011, 05:47 PM

The user g3ck0 has gone on leave c 10/25/2011 in the 10/23/2016 well all are equal...

Posted by: g3ck0 Nov 8 2011, 05:48 PM

roman82 don´t talk about things you have no ideas of - thanks a lot

Posted by: roman82 Nov 8 2011, 05:55 PM

I have an idea why, 50 matches are very little, I a command of the first level played so much and what to speak about 9-10 level? For them it is 3 hours, there would be a desire, other question that my ideas interest nobody, and anybody not begins to listen to them. If want to struggle with bots struggle, but not such methods, enter for example random inspection on SMS, truth with itself the player should have phone, or still something, but 50 matches it aren't enough....

Posted by: schiphol Nov 8 2011, 10:35 PM

hi,
i fully support fight against players who play 24hours a day.. so i welcome the attempt to do something,, but what was done is terrible.. i am not using bots, it is only me , who is playing, but i play more than 50 games almost every day..

i recommend to this:

after 50games you decrease the game exp, and stadium revenue to lets say 90% of full value.. then after next for example 30 games,, it will be 80%,, after next 30 games,, 70% and so on..

i think it is much more acceptable, if it is done gradually,, not just a jump from full exp to almost zero..

and it would harm players like me only a little.. but it would harm the real cheaters more

thanks for possible consideration of this

Posted by: Nekki Gamer Nov 8 2011, 11:31 PM

There are much reasons why this rule is very bad...

1. you cant play game how much you want

2. you said you trying to euqal all teams and members no meter what the vip or no vip thay have? now, how will guy with no vip reach exp points against guy who has vip account? its not possible... earlyer you could play friendly games with no vip for days (like i did until i think i had team good inafe to compete for tournys)
now no vip players can get at most about 3k points of exp per player per day... which magnet vip4 can do in 1 game.... so that story about geting all users equal chanse not standing....

3. guys with lower lvls (i mean from lvl0 to lvl8) thay will keep geting manager experiance points but thay will not get inafe expiriance points for players to keep tham up to be good inafe for next manager lvl thay playing...
(so lvl9+ have some sorta of advantage here becouse thay dont care about manager exp anymore)

4. you killed strategy of some players like me for fans number going down after 50th game... i spend 2much money on stadium and i have 5k place for fans now even tho in that time i knew it will be hard to get my money invested in that stadium... now bulding stadium and invest to make some money is imposible (its possible if you look next 10 years in future)

5. we would all now playing this game (tournys and friendlys) and you woulnt have to take your time reading all this and answering on it....
i finished my 50 games today at about 4-5 pm and till 7pm it was started to be worthless to play

there is probobly more resons which i cant remeber at this moment but this post will be edited for sure

now some suggestion,

make at least 100games per day limit (which is low for me) or make 20hours per day limit (which is perfect for me lol )

EDIT: its useless to have now more than 22 players in team... you cant skill tham all in 50 games... so delete baseclub3-4

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 9 2011, 04:44 PM

i support this idea ,and it`s very good, and i`m sure of it that many people agree with him please take his idea in consideration, it`s very good

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 9 2011, 04:57 PM

thats bulls**t sorry if i`m rude ,but that thing with the equality and fairnessis just a pretext/excuse , actuali , i was wrong firs when i said that there is no point in buying vip )) acvtually the main reason for this rule, is to make other players (withno vip) to bu vip beacuse without VIP in 50 games exp your worthless this is a fact! , 20 h limit is to much no one playes that much sorry , 20/7 is to much so each day you sleep just 4 h, and dont work, dont go out, man you`re boddy will colapse )) lol , it has to be something more resonable , not 50 games, lets say that schiphol`s idea it`sd one of the best , and also you have to do something about the bonuses, because they worth nothing if you play then just 4-6 h

i`m currently at lvl 2 and i can pull down more than 50 games wtih just 1 restore (vip2), so imagine just this if you ahave good players(with good stamina/endurance), and 3 restores, you can playe 50 games in just 2-3 h

an i`m still repeating my self what about the friendlies??? they bring me not enough exp, so lest say if i had vip 4 , and i play 3-4 cups + 20 friendlies that`s it? that you can do at lvl 4-10 in 4-6 h, so let`sw just say if you make it time limited..i`m just saying 5-6 h sleep , let`s presume taht not everybody goes to school or work, or that they can play from the work a few games so let`s cut down again 2 h , -2 h again for eating and so on that`s 10 h right, so we would still have 14 h to play, that`s fair right?

if it`s game(match) limited than schiphol`s idea is the best

Posted by: Nekki Gamer Nov 9 2011, 06:01 PM

im not sure do u even know what you want.... thay puted game limit so as thay say "every player has equal chanse no metter the vip thay have" and thay made completely oposite, players without vip cant catch up with vip players not metter what thay do which makes this game totaly rubish and its not competitive at all...

but even like this only morons and rich people will continue to buy boosters and vip ranks... thay fooked a lot of players with discount before thay bring us news that thay will fook up game as soon as we buy boosters and vip ranks... but that will not stop me to leave this game (at least to the time when thay will bring new better rules) so if the point was to take our money and thay fooked us up after that great... i can live with my 30-40euros spent on this game... hope thay will buy house with tham...

i didnt say i can play 20 hours per day, most i did it was 18 i think and that was when i turned double exp....
but who the fook cares how much i can play and do i have job or how much i sleep... for example im working at home (some easy web job which i need 30min to 1 hour per day to finish) and yes i have life, i have wife and kids and im going to meetings, restourants, partys etc. but i dont want to go when i want to play the game.... i dont want to be pushed by tham when i will stop to play the game becouse i made my limit per day... sometimes i want to play 200 games (if even that is possible) and some times i will not have time to play 1 game.... but its not up to tham to dicade how much i will play per day and what will be limit for me... or is it up to tham? well i guess it is... but its not my foult thay are playing god with maybe 10k active users and 1 million of multiacount and unactive users... thay made thay choise... if this decision stand... thay will maybe have only rich people and complete retards staying around here to play... or maybe the game will die to the end... like rock said "its the begining of the end"....

Posted by: Rock Nov 10 2011, 12:02 PM

Are you sure?
maybe for you it'doesn't matter, because you are mod, and working only for fun and little bit boosters (monthly about 10-20)
but for admins team it's general work, and for this they receive a real salary.
But when they are instead of real money will bring home (to get in credit cards) virtual boosters, because of the introduction , people will leave the project, then I'll see how you are going to laugh.... :lol

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 10 2011, 01:29 PM

gooo9d point!!!



you`we got a point , i was just telling that it would be better a realistic limitation, and yes it does not matter if you work, or have time or not at all, it was just an example and yes it`s hard to stay in this game if they take away every bit of pleasure from it (but IM REALLY SURE THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE ( we`re just "yelling our lung out" for nothing ..but we will see)

Posted by: g3ck0 Nov 10 2011, 07:23 PM

maybe you should have a closer look before you try to blame someone else ...
I´m no mod at all for a long time now ...

So please talk about facts - thank you in advance ...

Posted by: Rock Nov 10 2011, 09:09 PM

I'm sorry if offended by something, but I do not look your profile every day....
Have a nice holiday Hope you never come back , especially as the mod....

Sorry for offtopic

Posted by: g3ck0 Nov 10 2011, 09:34 PM

But you don´t offend anybody

Back to topic

Posted by: Nekki Gamer Nov 11 2011, 05:23 PM

rofl.... sorry for spam

Posted by: BigJock Nov 12 2011, 06:13 AM

I think the point about this statistic of 2% being very inaccurate is important. You seem to have pissed off 100% of people...

But seriously even if this was only 2% these are your most loyal fans and your best customers! It's just crazy to limit the use of your product/service it makes no business sense. You should reward your most hardcore users not punish them.

Maybe you believe that new players lose a lot and are put off staying in this game but i think that's going to happen anyway. The people who really enjoy the game will stick around anyway. I am a new player myself. I don't play a lot of hours each day and i expect to get beaten by players who spend more time and money than me. That's just part of the competition.
Even so i have built a nice team i am happy with and have won enough cups because i learned about tactics etc from my union mates (thank you E.E.F). If you want to create an easy game for kids or dummies to play that's a very boring plan.

People like this game because it is difficult and competitive.

If someone has all day to play every day why should i care ? So they will beat me at 11x11 big deal.

This rule change wont really effect me but like most average users of this game there are some days i would like to be able to chose to play more than 50 games if i have the time and the inclination.

I know it is an effort to stop cheating and that is very good but i think this is the wrong idea currently.

I suggested on the post (before all of our comments were deleted) that you create a monthly limit rather than daily with the same amount of games or maybe slightly more than you suggest.

For example why not 60 games per day but spread over 1 month = 1800 or maybe 2000 games each month? This means i can play a lot of games when i have time and no games when i don't. The overall limit over 1 month is the same and will have the same effect against bots. There are many valid reasons to play more than 50 games in one day. Its possible to play a lot of friendly matches very quickly for example. In fact it is necessary to train the players.

I think you believe this change will mean you gain more players and you can create more revenue from advertising, partnerships and sponsors but you are wrong. I think it will have the opposite effect because it is the hardcore players who give your game its life.
It's the hardcore users that make this game fun for me to play and make it a challenge. They organize the unions like the one i joined, they teach the rest about tactics, they create and train the best players for the rest of us to buy so let them play as much as they like really or put a more realistic limit instead.

Good luck and i hope you are listening!

Regards BigJock

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 17 2011, 06:18 PM

[b]SORRY this message is from another topic, but still worth seeing [b]

hello my friend , as we all can see your suport for the staf has ended ) because it`s was shitty the las decision (rule or whatever) because the boot players are not interested in the EXP!!!! or STADUM MONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEYYYYYYY that`s *****)) they win a cup = more money and so on so why do they need the exp? that 50 games rule is helping them better than us honest players

as for you`re money , you`re invested money they don`t give a*****because as they were saying it should make no difference if you pay or play for free, =)))

sorry for this because none of us willget the money or our time or nothing they are not willing to do a thing about cheaters it`s soooo saaaaad

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 21 2011, 02:17 PM

sorry for using some bad words, it was not agains`t the moderators or the staff mebers, i was just sayng that this situation is bad it was not in my intention to insult anyone and it still isn`t

next time i will try to expres myself in other ways

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 22 2011, 02:17 PM

The Exp-Boni can be used whenever you like (no expiring). After activation all your players will receive double experience points in all games during the following 24 hours.

so the new rules dose not apply to the activation time right? (this is good:D)

one more thing, i just recently got a restart, and you promissed some bonusese , and vip`s for 50% so we have the first bonus, but at lvl 2 i can`t buy exp bonuses , when will you bee having the vip discounts ?

Posted by: tanminhhanoi Nov 23 2011, 05:14 AM

Now the turnover of this game is coming down and they need to improve it by any business strategy and don't care for fair. Just love money only!

Posted by: ailwasp Nov 24 2011, 05:26 PM

what sould i say, we al feared for worst, but , actually in the past days i`we seen big and good changes, in tha cups section, bonuses, and so on , so afterall maybe everything will work out

i know that we all criticised some of them, but let`s be fair , and allso appreciate the good work

as for the future we will wait and see (i`m much more optimistic than i was)